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Secret of the Unicorn: Tintin’s right to the scrolls?

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Golf Tango Fox
Member
#1 · Posted: 30 Jun 2005 07:36
Hi everyone,

This is my first post. I have throroughly enjoyed reading through a lot of the discussions here.

Here's a question I put to you all.

What right did our heroes have in procuring and using all 3 scrolls in Unicorn. They only had rightful legal claim to the one from their model. The other ones rightfully belonged to the Bird Bros & Mr Sakharine.

Even though the treasure was eventually found on Archie's newly acquired property, were they morally obliged to share the treasure with at least Mr Sakharine?

Peter
profcalculus
Member
#2 · Posted: 30 Jun 2005 14:44 · Edited by: profcalculus
Hi Peter.

I understand the point you're making.

However Sir Francis Haddock's intention was for his sons, his offspring, to discover the treasure, and this did not happen. Captain Haddock ought certainly to qualify as thus, since he is Sir Francis' descendant.

As a side note he is also a seafaring man (maybe a little irrelevant).

Perhaps one might argue Sir Francis had no claim to the treasure, but that is another matter.

"Three brothers joined"

Welcome aboard ;)
profcalculus
Member
#3 · Posted: 1 Jul 2005 02:27
Oh I wasn't suggesting Sir Francis had no claim.
Only that one might argue as such.
Charles
Member
#4 · Posted: 10 Jul 2005 19:37
Another way to solve the problem is to say, how do we know Haddock didn't share some of the riches with Mr Sakharine? After all, they were worth much more than a king's ransom, and in the last illustration of Red Rackham's Treasure we see Sakharine in the maritime gallery at Marlinspike. From this we certainly must infer that the troubled relationship between Tintin and Ivan Ivanovich was smoothed by the end of this adventure; who is to say that the big-hearted Haddock did not reward him?
snafu
Member
#5 · Posted: 11 Jul 2005 04:40
I don't think that rightful ownership was exactly relevant in the stories (I'm not trying to suggest that Herge was an anarchist); things changed hands all the time. In "The Black Island", guns were changing hands every several pages, for example. In this case, it appears that the scrolls transferred from the Bird Brothers to Tintin b/c Tintin was the biggest winner in the fight.
Charles
Member
#6 · Posted: 12 Jul 2005 04:27
In this case, it appears that the scrolls transferred from the Bird Brothers to Tintin b/c Tintin was the biggest winner in the fight.

Or, if you're fiercely determined to keep Tintin and Haddock miles within the boundary of justice and law, we could say that the scroll owned by the brothers Bird was part of the property included with Marlinspike Hall when acquired by the Captain. ;)
Golf Tango Fox
Member
#7 · Posted: 13 Jul 2005 13:08 · Edited by: Moderator
Charles
how do we know Haddock didn't share some of the riches with Mr Sakharine?

This is a good point Charles and certainly one way to look at it.
I think the biggest problem I had with this, was that Tintin just simply took the Bird's and Sakharine's scrolls from Max Bird's wallet(in front of the police I might add). Even though the Bird's took his, he had that one back already. He took someone else's property from someone else's wallet. Would it be alright if he also helped himself to some money? Even though the Birds were crims, their scroll was still their legal property.
aliamerjee
Member
#8 · Posted: 13 Jul 2005 13:26
Hi Peter,
I'm Ali and I love reading this section. I am a new member.
I sincerely think Tintin and Haddock have a right to the scrolls since Haddock's ancestor was carrying the treasure on the Unicorn and would have procured that treasure in the course of time. Anyway what would a guy do with treasure on a deserted island, but to give it to his future generations?
It is quite a coincidence that Haddock gets to know about him anyway and in such a dramatic manner.
Without the help of Tintin however he wouldn't have got his hands on the treasure.
Ali
et tu Tintin
Member
#9 · Posted: 13 Jun 2006 15:01
The scroll's are not the key to whoever owns the treasure, it's where the treasure is hidden. Herge problably knew this and that's why he ended the hunt with the treasure being found in Marlinspike Hall.

If you buy a property you inherit all that goes with it at the time of the sale (good and bad). Therefore, when Professor Calculus gave the Captain the money to buy Marlinspike Hall, the Captain rightfully owned everything on and within the property. Note especially that the property was not put up for sale but was sold at auction.

The Captain, presumably repaid the Professor out of the sale of some of the treasure.
jock123
Moderator
#10 · Posted: 14 Jun 2006 09:43
et tu Tintin
If you buy a property you inherit all that goes with it at the time of the sale (good and bad).

Do you? I think there would be more to it than that - I mean, if the Bird Brothers had stashed their loot (or drugs or guns) from their crimes at Marlinspike, that wouldn’t automatically have gone to the Captain, would it?

In the U.K. it would have had to go to court to see if it was treasure-trove. Until recently this was the propety of the Crown, and covered any valuable collection of goods found under ground, where it wasn’t known who owned it - if it had been dropped or lost, it could go to the finder; if it was hidden, it was the property of the Crown (this may still be the case, but I’m not familiar with the Property Act 1996, and the points may be different).

As the treasure in this case was the result of piracy, it would also surely have been open to reclaim by the original owners; it may sound far-fetched, but there are treasures being returned to governments today that were lost from their navies, and presumably in turn someone would have turned up looking for their dubloons from the horde…

Anyway, don’t assume that because you bought a house and it was full of booty that it is yours…!

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