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Alph-Art: The Yves Rodier version?

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jock123
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#51 · Posted: 2 Sep 2011 21:55
number1fan:
Should the suggestion that it can be downloaded be allowed here?

It’s an observation of the situation, rather than information on how this is to be done, or where to find it, so yes, it’s permissible.
GSC
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#52 · Posted: 15 Nov 2011 00:54 · Edited by: Moderator
I've never read Yves Rodier’s version of Alph-Art, though I really want to.

I've been searching for that version for a long time now - I heard that only 50 copies were printed in English. How did you guys manage to get your hands on it?

Where did you guys get it? Is there any place where I could get it?

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LoRaNeMaRshall
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#53 · Posted: 14 Dec 2011 11:08
I just finished reading the English version.

Rodier did a horrible job for the ending with that secretary that invites Tintin to have dinner and to meet her parents. It just does not fit with Hergé's Tintin.
skater95
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#54 · Posted: 26 Feb 2012 22:52
All in all, I think Rodier made a pretty good attempt at Alph-Art. However, it certainly had its faults.The aspect that bothered me the most was the quality of the artwork. Some frames were fantastic and looked nearly identical to Hergé's art, but some were completely different and sorely lacking. The portrayal of Tintin and Haddock were especially unimpressive at times. Also, and I know some will disagree with me, but I didn't really like Martine all that much. Almost all the scenes between her and Tintin seemed kind of awkward in my opinion but I suppose it sort of makes sense, since Tintin doesn't really talk to girls his own age very often (if at all... hahaha). I did, however think the last part where she invites him to dinner was amusing and was happy that it was left open-ended.
tomicalover
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#55 · Posted: 15 Apr 2012 12:42 · Edited by: Moderator
Abhishek Ghosh:
What do you all think about the Tintin and Alph-Art completed by Yves Rodier?

b. worst

Moderators, please give a little bit of freedom of speech, I want to express my feelings about Rodier’s version of Hergé’s un-finished Alph-Art.
I’ve read Tintin since I was in first junior school in 1985-86 (I was about 8-9 yrs old). I’ve loved them all since then.
26 years later, and about 2 months ago, after I read the Alph-Art by Rodier, I was so disappointed how poor and miserable the story was.
All Hergé's hard work was destroyed by the incompetent Rodier: he cannot draw properly and many panels were completely un-professional and lack the style that Hergé always created carefully through clever judgement and caution.
It's a disaster. It has some 2 or 3 panels close to Hergé’s works, but, especially after page 32-33 when Tintin goes to Ischia Island, it all goes horribly wrong.
After I saw Ischia on YouTube and in Google pictures, Rodier made very false depiction of that island; he even cannot draw the real taxis use there in the 1980's. Hotels are also made up absurdly, and the beaches contrast with what the real Ischia looks like.
Many things, especially Tintin and Haddock, Snowy, the cars involved, the airport in Naples, ships, airplanes, background scenery, rooms, houses, are all very poorly drawn.
How come the motorcycle Tintin uses can change length in seconds? The Mercedes interior and the depiction of roads and perspectives are awkward and dull.
I'm sorry but that’s the facts!
Look at Tintin and the Picaros… How gorgeous the panels and cars and scenery are, making you feel that you are in Bolivia in South America, or maybe the Chilean jungle.
I completely agreed with Skater95; it's far from a success, very poorly drawn, and with huge mistakes all around the book.

Moderator Note: After six pages of discussion about the book, why would we not allow you to air your views? As long as you remain within the bounds of taste, decency and the forum posting rules, you are as free to talk about Alph-Art by Rodier as anyone else.
However, we would ask that you take more care with your spelling, punctuation and use of upper- and lower-case letters, as the text of your post was very hard to read and has had to be edited as a result. Other than that, you are free to comment on the topic!

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jock123
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#56 · Posted: 15 Apr 2012 17:04 · Edited by: jock123
I’m not here to discuss the rights and wrongs of Rodier making his book avaialble (which is an entirely separate matter); however, I do feel that you are unduly harsh in your criticism, and are not giving credit to him for the considerable achievement in being able to draw 62 pages of comic art to any standard; I work part-time as a freelance graphic artist for a national newspaper, and I’d be hard-pressed to draw a page, in any style at any quality, let alone a further 61.

It reminds me of the criticism made to Isaac Asimov that, although he’d written (at that time) over 100 books, they were pretty bad (it was the critic who said this to him - I like Asimov…). His response was that he didn’t actually care, as – good or bad –  it would still amount to an achievement: “Just try writing 100 bad books!”
tomicalover:
many panels were completely un-professional and lack the style that Hergé always created carefully through clever judgement and caution.

I’m not certain how you think the Rodier version was produced, but it was an “unprofessional” job in the strict sense of the word: I believe that Rodier was a boy of about sixteen, living in Canada, a complete amateur, when he started the work he did on his book.

Working in his spare time, as a hobby, he wrote and drew the entire book himself, with no assistance, a feat which Hergé hadn’t done since the early Forties.
tomicalover:
After I saw Ischia on YouTube and in Google pictures, Rodier made very false depiction of that island; he even cannot draw the real taxis use there in the 1980's.

Probably because he didn’t have access to Google, YouTube or any of the modern sources you have available? He was drawing this pre-internet, so wouldn’t have had your luxury of a source of infinite research in your own home. Even if he had a good public library he could access, I’m not sure that a volume on the precise taxi cabs used in Ischia during the Eighties would have come to hand that easily.
He made them up out of his imagination… and why not? He certainly wasn’t in a position to visit…
tomicalover:
How come the motorcycle Tintin uses can change length in seconds? The Mercedes interior and the depiction of roads and perspectives are awkward and dull.

How well were you drawing motor-cycles and Mercedes in your teens? How good is your perspective drawing, even now? I know mine isn’t great. What you are looking at is the result of someone working out how to do things, not who knew how to do these things after years of practice; even Hergé took time to work out the technicalities, and then further decades to refine his style.
Also bear in mind that Hergé often farmed out the technical pieces to other assistants on his team, who specialised in mechanical drawing (the drawing of mechanisms, that is, not drawing mechanically). Rodier didn’t have that luxury either.
(Update: And even the master wasn’t immune to charges of problem with scale…)

tomicalover:
Look at Tintin and the Picaros… How gorgeous the panels and cars and scenery are

There I’d have to disagree with you: I find the quality of the drawing in Picaros to be among the weaker, or at least, the less inspired of the series, reflecting Hergé’s decliing interest as he grew older and less healthy. Again, it is a major achievement, as it is the work of just Hergé and Bob de Moor, but compared to earlier books, the spark just isn’t there any more to my eyes.
It’s also worth bearing in mind that Bob de Moor did see Rodier’s version of Alph-Art, and apparently did think of collaborating with Rodier, should he have been granted permission to complete the album as had been considered for a time after Hergé’s death.

I repeat, I think that the art in Rodier’s book isn’t up to that of Hergé, the story doesn’t really work as he extended it, and I agree it gets very dull on Ischia, and positively plods in the last few pages.

But I’d be very unkind if I didn’t at least acknowledge that I’d not be any better able to think of an ending and also have to draw it myself.

To be truthful, I’m not sure that the story worked when Hergé was writing it either, and thus Rodier wasn’t building from the strongest of foundations.
I wouldn’t go out of my way to read it again, and don’t see it as a candidate for how Hergé might have finished the book (as Rodier had hoped), but I’d never say that it “destroys” anything of Hergé’s; the originals remain completely untouched and available.
tomicalover:
I completely agreed with Skater95

But Skater95 thinks it was a generally good attempt, with problems, whereas you seem to think it has no redeeming features…?
DarkSun
Member
#57 · Posted: 18 Apr 2012 19:05
You can spot the exact place where Rodier took over and Herge passed away.
I am a writer by profession, and re-wrote the ending they way I think Hergé may have wanted it to go and sticking to Tintin's character as he "always gets out of bad situations."
I kept loyal to Rodier, for his love of the character, keeping some of the scenes in, but personally, I prefer my version, as I keep the Emir's soon-to-be-art museum and Castafiore as large pictures in the story till the very end...
GSC
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#58 · Posted: 11 Sep 2013 22:45 · Edited by: Moderator
I've been searching for a topic about the finished version of Tintin And Alf-Art by Yves Roldier, but I just can't seem to find it. Can anybody help me?

Moderator Note: Your spelling let you down - it is "Alph-Art" and you want information about Yves "Rodier". Your post has been moved to an existing thread (to which you yourself have contributed in the past!

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mpp1969
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#59 · Posted: 29 Aug 2014 23:29 · Edited by: Moderator
Any suggestions on where I can buy a copy of the Yves Rodier version of Alph-art?

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advnarayan
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#60 · Posted: 1 Sep 2014 18:07 · Edited by: Moderator
Just catching up on the old posts in this thread...

Nobody can be Hergé, period.
Rodier's Alph-Art is Rodier's - appreciate him for the effort he has made....
I too have wondered how Alph-Art would have ended, and this is how Rodier envisages it.
I respect his imagination.

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