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“Tintin in the New World: A romance”: A novel by Frederic Tuten

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Ranko
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#41 · Posted: 27 May 2007 18:58
sliat_1981
Its perverted because it has no place in a book about someone who was desiged to be a children's character.

But this is, quite simply, not a childrens book. A read of the first paragraph would at least suggest that more investigation of the books content might be a good idea before handing it over to a child.
However, I would think that any child with the ability to read and understand this book would also be able to understand that it is an interpratation of Tintin. Children do not live in a vacuum.
Tintinrulz
Member
#42 · Posted: 27 May 2007 19:02
It's stupid how if an 'innocent' character is taken and then experiences drugs, sex with an older woman, thinks suicidal thoughts and then kills himself - that it is given such respect! Personally I think it's idiotic.
Tuten's work is absolute rubbish.
sliat_1981
Member
#43 · Posted: 28 May 2007 07:13
Then Ranko, why if Tuten wanted to create a book about this kind of subject, why did he pick on Tintin? Why not create his own characters? This was a money thing. Tintin was designed to be a childrens character. Didn't Tuten think that when his novel was released a lot of children would hear about it and want to read about their loved character? How many adults may have bought it for their children for a present as a surprise (not knowing what was in it) and then have them reading about Tintin wanking and commiting suicide?
Also I disagee about you saying children would understand it. My stepbrother watched Ace Ventura: When Nature calls and in the scene where the explorer catches him with his hand under the blanket and he says "Don't come in.. not yet", my stepbrother had no idea what was happening.
Ranko
Member
#44 · Posted: 28 May 2007 11:18
sliat_1981
How many adults may have bought it for their children for a present as a surprise (not knowing what was in it) and then have them reading about Tintin wanking and commiting suicide?

As to why he chose Tintin, you would have to discuss that with the author. Of course it's a money thing. Why else write the book?
Like I said. Children dont live in a vacuum. Surely it's up to the parents to explain to their children that this is one persons interpretation of Tintin. I think we have to agree to disagree on this. I think parents should censor childrens reading. It's not a job for the state or author.

Also I disagee about you saying children would understand it. My stepbrother watched Ace Ventura: When Nature calls and in the scene where the explorer catches him with his hand under the blanket and he says "Don't come in.. not yet", my stepbrother had no idea what was happening.

So if he doesn't know whats happening, then there's no problem in him seeing it?
sliat_1981
Member
#45 · Posted: 28 May 2007 11:25 · Edited by: sliat_1981
Did you even read my post? I said that the parent may not even know what is in the novel. How would they react seeing their children crying reading about Tintin killing himself? And Tuten never explains why he does a nudey suicide either.
As for the Ace Ventura, sure he didn't know, but he asked. He wanted to know. I don't know what my stepdad told him, but I don't know what he would have said when he found out he was jerking off.
Ranko
Member
#46 · Posted: 28 May 2007 12:49
sliat_1981
Did you even read my post? I said that the parent may not even know what is in the novel.

Of course I've read your post! So you think that's responsible parenting to blindly give a child a book without knowing what the contents are?

How would they react seeing their children crying reading about Tintin killing himself?
You've quoted the last paragraph in this thread before. Do you seriously expect a child to interperet "streamed away into the ribboned darkness and light" as describing suicide? "Dad, is he swimming at night" seems the more logical question to me.
My child wouldn't be crying anyway, I'm afraid I play the role of responsible parent.
sliat_1981
Member
#47 · Posted: 28 May 2007 21:13
How would a parent know that a book about Tintin contains sex, masturbation and suicide? A lot of people if you told them about this wouldnt even believe them. My uncle had no reason to think this was not a Tintin adventure in novel form. He wasn't irresponsible.
My parents tried explaining to me that Tintin wasn't killing himself. I knew though. It was too obvious he was.
jock123
Moderator
#48 · Posted: 28 May 2007 23:10
Ranko
So you think that's responsible parenting to blindly give a child a book without knowing what the contents are?
I think it is a point fairly made that the fact that the book is apparently about Tintin might be taken by many to indicate that the content would be suitable for children per se, and therefore even a responsible parent might not check; it would be fair to assume, for example that if a shop sold you a Miffy or a Mister Men, or a Biggles or a Jennings book, or Harry Potter or whatever that it was going to be suitable for readers of certain ages - and I think the same goes for Tintin.
However, as a caveat to that, this volume looks nothing like a regualr Tintin album, so the parent would have to be very uncurious not even read the blurb, and that should alert them that all was not well…
Balthazar
Moderator
#49 · Posted: 28 May 2007 23:33 · Edited by: Balthazar
In UK bookshops, I've only ever seen this book being sold in the general "grown-up" fiction section - never in a children's section or comics section.

But, perhaps more importantly, the best defence against a child reading the "adult" stuff in this book is that no child reader would persevere beyond the first few pages of the book, because it's just too boring and confusing. I certainly couldn't get into it when I tried starting the first chapter in a bookshop before seeing if I wanted to buy it, and I'm a reasonably literate adult. Child readers, quite rightly, tend not to waste their time on a book if the author can't or won't engage them in the first page or so. (Maybe adult readers should follow their example.) So I don't think we should overly worry about a child inadvertantly reading the sexual or suicidal stuff. The book's boring pretentiousness probably makes it as childproof as it needs to be.

On the more general point about the book's qualities, I admit that having neither bought nor read more than two pages of it, I'm not really qualified to give an opinion on the whole thing. I'll await Ranko's open-minded review with interest (you're clearly a more tolerant and patient reader than I am, Ranko), but I don't think I'll be rushing out to buy it anyway - too many good children's books waiting to be read instead!
Richard
UK Correspondent
#50 · Posted: 29 May 2007 02:34
Before I begin, I must state that I haven't got the book to hand and haven't read it in a while. Now, I'm as much as a fan of Tintin as the next member of this forum, but I hold my hand up and declare that I quite enjoyed Tintin in the New World. No, it's not an adventure like Hergé would have written, and in my earlier post in this thread I came at the book from the wrong angle - as if it were trying to be an Adventure of Tintin, which in hindsight it isn't.

The fact that Tuten used Hergé's characters gets the book off the ground to begin with. Instead of explaining the personalities of his protagonists, Tuten took an existing character who's well known and used that as a starting point. Whether it be Tintin, Sherlock Holmes or even Bertie Wooster is a bit irrelevant - but with Tintin, there's always been that air of mystery, that emptiness to his character. Of course, this is what helped him to become universally popular, but as a personality he's so bland that Tuten experimented with 'filling in the gaps'. Essentially it's a hook; I doubt I'd have picked up a book labelled 'a romance' had Tintin not been on the cover.

The book itself, I thought, was well written. I know a lot of people were turned off by the language and the philosophical interludes amongst other things - there's a back-story that runs to about a chapter if I remember rightly, separate from the extended dream sequence. I thought a lot of the language conjured up some vivid images, mainly in the dream, which could have come straight from a work by Dalí or Chirico.

The sex, drugs and suicide - as opposed to rock 'n' roll - didn't strike me as particularly extreme when I first read it. Many would argue that he didn't have to include them at all, but as Tuten was resolved to anyway, I felt he handled it in a relatively sensitive manner. It's not like Tintin was out of his head on crack and sleeping with prostitutes; Tuten was dealing with the concept of love (as far as I can remember!) and the passion that this brought into Tintin's life. You could even argue he tried to show the effect it had on his friends, as ultimately he abandons both Snowy and Haddock. Whether it's a destructive force or not, it had a profound effect on Tintin.

I doubt many children would read this book in the first place. One glance at the blurb is enough to tell you that it isn't a kids book - check the quotes on the covers - and, as Ranko and Balthazar have pointed out, a glance at the first page is enough to confirm this. Additionally I think there's far worse things on TV for parents to worry about their children watching than fretting about them getting their hands on a copy of this novel. Lady Chatterley's Lover it ain't.

I sincerely doubt that Tintin in the New World is going to damage anyone's view of Tintin, and if it upsets the reader then surely that's the hallmark of good fiction - it arouses feelings, positive or negative? Whether you like it or not, the book was published in 1993 and we're still debating its merits fourteen years down the line.

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