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george
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#11 · Posted: 20 Feb 2008 14:02
wish they were coming out at £9.99

I'm sure if you buy them online they'll end up about £9-99; Amazon usually have a 30% discount on their items, so you'll get the set for nearer £60 than £90.

George
John Sewell
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#12 · Posted: 25 Feb 2008 22:59
george wrote:
This may not be the correct thread for this, but what remains to be released in English anyway? Of the books that had proper mass-market releases in France/Belgium I mean.


The B&W English facsimiles seem to have been stalled at Blue Lotus since 2006. The back of the book (and Cigars as well) lists the four subsequent stories, up to and including Crab, as being "in the same series", but I wish they'd get a move on!
Pharaoh
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#13 · Posted: 2 Jun 2008 17:03
They are now listed on amazon at 8.99 each, but as "Paperback" and with different release dates than those on Egmont site!! Something is very wrong here, the photos shows a hardcover binding, not a paperback. The same books with the same ISBN are listed as Hardbacks on Egmont site.

Still to be released next month

<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blue-Lotus-Adventures-Tintin/dp/1405240709/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blue-Lotus-Adventures-Tintin/dp/1405240709/ref =sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-2</a>
<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Broken-Ear-Adventures-Tintin/dp/1405240687/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Broken-Ear-Adventures-Tintin/dp/1405240687/ref =sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-3</a>
<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Island-Adventures-Tintin/dp/1405240695/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Island-Adventures-Tintin/dp/1405240695/r ef=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-4</a>

In stock now

<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/King-Ottokars-Sceptre-Adventures-Tintin/dp/1405240733/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-5" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/King-Ottokars-Sceptre-Adventures-Tintin/dp/140 5240733/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-5</a>
<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cigars-Pharaoh-Adventures-Tintin-Herge/dp/1405240717/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-6" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cigars-Pharaoh-Adventures-Tintin-Herge/dp/1405 240717/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-6</a>
<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tintin-America-Adventures-Herge/dp/1405240725/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-7" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tintin-America-Adventures-Herge/dp/1405240725/ ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212416844&sr=1-7</a>

I emailed Egmont asking for clarification. Will let you know what comes out of it.

If they turn out to be hardback fac-similes, then we are up for the treat of our lifetime. The Black Island is totally different than the one we have, and to me the older one is much better. I have always wanted to have it in English cause I can't read the one I have in French.

Tintin in Amrica should have the orignal black people, and the radio announcer should say that they have executed black men instead of "bums".

This leaves three colour books to be desired: Congo, with the original page 56 drawings. The Crab with Golden Claws with the original frames where Haddock drinks from the bottle on several occasions, and the orignal black men later replaced with other ethnicities. And Land of Black Gold with British soldiers and the struggle between Jewish and Arab militias in Israel/Palestine.

The B/W ones to be desired in English would be more: Crab with Golden Claws, Ottokar, Broken Ear, and The Black Island. I have these in French too, 110-120 pages each, and would love to have them in English.

Finally, maybe it would be a good idea to release the original B/W Secret of the Unicorn and Red Rackam's Treasure in English too. I have them in French and I can spot some differences which although minor, still worth having in an English Edition for a perfect collection.
george
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#14 · Posted: 5 Jun 2008 19:42
They're hardback.

I was shopping in the West End this evening and decided to pop in to a bookshop to see if they were around. I struck lucky first time as there were a large number of them in the children's section of Foyles (Charing X Road).

I didn't get a chance to peruse them because they were all shrinkwrapped (with a Collector's edition sticker on the outside) and I won't be buying them in store at £14.99. I will be getting them as soon as I can though as they do look very nice.

Happy times!

George
edcharlesadams
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#15 · Posted: 5 Jun 2008 23:04
I received mine yesterday. As George says, they were individually shrinkwrapped with a nice collector's sticker in the top right-hand corner. And yes, they are hardback, with an imitation cloth spine.

The back cover text reads: The Tintin Classic Collection by Hergé. Published in English for the first time, this is the original colour edition that first appeared over 50 years ago. An essential edition for Tintin enthusiasts! Editions available: The Black Island (1943); The Broken Ear (1943); Tintin in America (1945); The Blue Lotus (1946); King Ottokar's Sceptre (1947); Cigars of the Pharaoh (1955).

Those who don't like the glossy paper of the modern editions will love the matt finish and (relatively) muted colours. The text is in the new typeface, and the prelims read: Text adapted from the [year] translation by Leslie Lonsdale-Cooper and Michael Turner.

The images do appear to be from the original first colour editions... with one possible exception. On page 52 of Cigars of the Pharaoh, I thought that in the first edition Snowy was present in frame c1, though was deleted from all subsequent versions (see http://www.sallander.nu/tintin/text/fc.html). However in this facsimile he does not appear. Can anyone shed any light?

Other than this, the black people return to America, the map of Tintin's journey on page 1 of Cigars shows his journey to the Far East, and the text on the title page of Sceptre is red. There are surely other differences but these are quite well-known. Maybe one day I'll compile a definitive list.

A slight surprise, then, to see that in places the modern translation has been used. For example, on page 16 of Sceptre Thomson explains that their bowler hats cost £3.95 - their price in the modern editions, which used to be in imperial currency. Conversely, to reflect the old map on the first page of Cigars, Tintin now says that their journey will continue through 'Bombay, Columbo, then right on round, to finish in Shanghai'. A small detail perhaps, but why change one and not the other?

To sum up, these are really beautiful editions, well made and largely well-prepared. These first three are worth getting if you're a completist who values the way these books used to look (with the exception of the new typeface). The Black Island, arriving next month, is of course the main prize, but no doubt I'll be getting the whole set. I had intended to update some of my collection with new hardcovers and these really are very attractive, even if I doubt I shall use them much as reading copies.

Ed
Pharaoh
Member
#16 · Posted: 6 Jun 2008 01:08
And yes, they are hardback

Thanks Ed. Following George's post, I ordered the first three from amazon.co.uk, and pre-rdered the coming 3 to guarantee the price. @8.99 (~11.5 Euros) they are cheaper than they sell in France or Belgium!!

The back cover text reads: The Tintin Classic Collection by Hergé. Published in English for the first time, this is the original colour edition that first appeared over 50 years ago.

That's the bad thing about English facsimiles. They -of course- change text and titles, so they take the liberty to change/add more stuff that weren't there in the original. This is why I LOVE French facsimiles, they are carbon copies of the orignals. My French fax of the B/W Cigars is so accurate the image on the cover is actually a separate print that is glued on the cream coloured cover, just like the original. In the English B/W fax released couple of years ago, the image is simply printed as an integral part of the front cover.

Those who don't like the glossy paper

Who does? This is another bit of good news.

I thought that in the first edition Snowy was present in frame c1, though was deleted from all subsequent versions - see (broken link removed). However in this facsimile he does not appear. Can anyone shed any light?

I'm glad someone else pays attention to these small details. I thought I was over-obsessed for doing so!!

This is a puzzle for me. I have never seen the one with snowy in that frame or heard of it. I checked copies I have in 4 languages, and there is no Snowy in any. I would not give that site you linked to much credibility anyhow. I spotted several misinformation there at my first glance, sure would find many more when I look at them all. Examples, on the bottom of that very same page you link to, the book he calles "1934 Original B" is in fact the 1938 release. The wording above the title in the 1934 book is

LES AVENTURES DE TINTIN
REPORTER
EN ORIENT


Later in the 1938 version changed to

LES AVENTURES DE
TINTIN
REPORTER


Also, the book he calls "1934 Faksimil" is in reality the 1993 fax of the 1941 edition, when they simply wrote "Casterman" under the image.

Check it out in this much more accurate site.
http://users.skynet.be/tintinpassion/LIVRES/Livres-pages/04_CIGARES.html

Another error on your site here (broken link removed) - The version he calls 1931 Faksimil is in fact a fax of the 1937 Casterman B/W print which had different back and four colour plates inside. You can see it on my site, or read about it here in footnote #2 https://www.tintinologist.org/guides/books/pubdates.html

There are several more I've found so far, but you got my point. The site is not reliable, although I can't imagine where did they get that frame with snowy from?? If someone has the French Fax of that colored version, maybe he can take a look and tell us. I do expect there will be no snowy there too, and those French faxs are the most accurate as discussed earlier.

and the text on the title page of Sceptre is red.

I though again that no one cares for these details, thanks for that. (For those who do not know what is that:They used to print the titles on the third page in different colours, but at some point they decided to make them all black so that when someone is translating the book, they will only need to replace one colour. And some cover titles were put in frames to make translating the cover easier, as in this examle)

Original cover and Framed

A slight surprise, then, to see that in places the modern translation has been used. For example, on page 16 of Sceptre Thomson explains that their bowler hats cost £3.95

This is silly! We are buying facsimilies for a reason!! Hopefully they did not put a website address on the back cover too....

To sum up, these are really beautiful editions, well made and largely well-prepared.


Agree. And better, we get to have 6 of them in 1 year. They could have teased us with 1 album every two years or something!

One question, are they printed in Spain? I got an informed tip that French books are still printed in Belgium, while ALL English editions have been moved to spain. Need to confirm this.

Cheers.
Pharaoh
Member
#17 · Posted: 10 Jun 2008 01:03
Update: I emailed amazon and asked them to check the books physically. They did, and now their description is changed to "Hardcover".
zazoentje
Member
#18 · Posted: 23 Jun 2008 22:14
I noticed today this add on ebay

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/KUIFJE-TINTIN-facsimile-The-Black-Island-NICE_ W0QQitemZ120276153495QQihZ002QQcategoryZ104835QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

Seems that the facsimile of the black island is already out. The same seller also offers the blue lotus.

Amazon sells them too, although the date says somewhere in July.
Pharaoh
Member
#19 · Posted: 25 Jun 2008 10:11
Here is a working link of the post above http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120276153495

The books are available now. I checked my amazon.co.uk pre-order and found that they were already dispatched yesterday. Should be in my waiting hands tomorrow or Friday.
Austin
Member
#20 · Posted: 4 Jul 2008 21:33
Does anyone have the new facsimile of the original Black Island yet? I asked in the Tintin shop in Covent Garden and they said they didn't know when it would be out.

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