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Captain Haddock: His nationality?

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Star Child
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#61 · Posted: 4 Mar 2012 11:57
I don't know about you, but I think he's gotta be French. Or Scottish, for that matter. He mentions 'bagpipes' in Tintin in Tibet.
tintinsgf
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#62 · Posted: 4 Mar 2012 13:41
I always think that Haddock is English/British (or at least coming from the British Isles, sorry for unintentionally confusing English with British), and this thought was inherited from (undoubtedly) my father. At my early years of knowing Tintin my father always said that Tintin is French(Franco-Belgian actually, but he said Tintin is French to me back then), while Haddock and (especially) the Thompsons are English(my father could also mean that they are British, but I am not sure on this). And the previously listed evidences (whisky, Karaboudjan real life counterpart assembly point, his name and so on) amplify the notion that Haddock is indeed British.

This notion is further amplified by the evidence of Marlinspike hall location in the English edition, but in its original edition, the evidence blurred all the evidence previously mentioned (and believed), which further make Haddock's nationality unclear.

No matter the circumstances, though, I'll stay on my opinion that Haddock is British (or perhaps, to be more exact, a Scotsman!). Besides, isn't it usual for sailors to stay (in a long time) on other countries? (especially due to his job, although Haddock is retired, but still, this might be a point)

Anyway, is it possible for a Scottish Jacobite to have a property (like a land, or mansion) outside (and far from) his homeland? If possible, in what kind of circumstances could it be possible?
mct16
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#63 · Posted: 4 Mar 2012 14:07
tintinsgf:
Anyway, is it possible for a Scottish Jacobite to have a property (like a land, or mansion) outside (and far from) his homeland? If possible, in what kind of circumstances could it be possible?

The Jacobites developed as a political force after 1688 when James II was exiled from England and replaced by his son-in-law William III.

If we stick to the original French edition of "Unicorn" then it is just... just possible that Sir Francis de Hadoque was (in 1698) a Jacobite exile who served under Louis XIV who sided with James, but I don't know if any of the exiled Jacobites were actually given important positions in the French armed forces.
Archie Haddock
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#64 · Posted: 25 Mar 2012 19:41
I think he's either British or Scottish.. He might also possibly be Irish.. Just a thought!
dupont804
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#65 · Posted: 16 Apr 2013 22:26 · Edited by: Moderator
Hello all, this has been on my mind for a very long time to know what country the Captain is actually from. In Harry Thompson's biography of Hergé's books, it stated that he is English, yet it never mentions he is in the books. In the English versions it says Tintin lives in England, simply to give the reader some familiarity, but we all know he lives in Belgium!

What are your opinions on this? Is Captain Haddock from Belgium? England? or somewhere else? Why would a drunken old English sea captain speak fluent French?

Saying that, in countries that speak a different language the people often speak Tintin's language for simplicity.

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sliat_1981
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#66 · Posted: 8 May 2017 10:51 · Edited by: Moderator
He's descended from a French ancestor. Lives in Belgium and speaks French.
I'm sorry I can't see how anyone could have seen him as English. He's clearly Belgian.

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You have been warned in the past for the aggressive tone of your posts, and the vehemence of your anti-British sentiment, which you appear to bring in at any excuse.
This is a long - and long-standing - thread, and it is disrespectful to the other participants that you open it up again merely to pour scorn on other people's opinions - which, in point of fact originate with remarks by Hergé himself, which makes your blunt dismissal subject to the suspicion that you haven't actually read the thread, and are merely raising the subject to show that you are intolerant of the possibility of Haddock's nationality being British simply because it is that he might be British, not just that he may not be Belgian.
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JJohannes
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#67 · Posted: 17 Oct 2017 20:23
This is a tough question! The fact is that even in the original French-language version his name is Archibald Haddock, which is clearly an English name. His ancestor's name was however François de Hadoque, which is French but could easily have been translated from English (Jacobite theory mentioned earlier).

The Moulinsart castle/village represents the biggest problem. We can safely assume it is in Belgium, as the style of architecture, police uniforms, vehicles and other things point to that direction.

However, Wallonia region where it is supposedly located was part of Spain in the 17th century, when de Hadoque was supposed to have been gifted the estate by the Sun King. How Louis XIV could have given de Hadoque an estate located in Spain, especially when Spain was no ally of France? Or even if he could (as noble families sometimes had holdings in foreign countries), why would de Hadoque want to move there when he had been fighting the Spanish on the seas?

And would it be the other way around, that de Hadoque was genuinely French and at some point his descendants moved to England and the family was anglicized? Maybe Archibald was born in England/Scotland but ended up working for a Belgian shipping company and was living in Belgium because of that? That's how he knew French.

The distinction between his family being either "Belgian" or "French" is by the way quite artificial. Walloons or French-speaking Belgians are practically French who moved there before there was "Belgium" or "France".
JJohannes
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#68 · Posted: 19 Oct 2017 00:00
I actually did some research and yes, Louis XIV giving de Hadoque an estate in Wallonia is distantly plausible. During and in-between the Franco-Dutch war (1672-1678) and the War of the League of Augsburg (1688-1697), parts of Wallonia were under the French control. Both of there wars pitted the French against the Spanish/Holy Roman Empire and the Dutch. For example, the town of Nivelles which is located south of Brussels, underwent many sieges and changed hands several times. The French even managed to raze Brussels in 1695.

De Hadoque got his castle in 1685, between the two wars, but there still might have been some French presence at that time in Walloon Brabant which is the area south of Brussels.
jock123
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#69 · Posted: 19 Oct 2017 09:23
JJohannes:
I actually did some research

Resorting to facts, eh...? What is the world coming to...? ;-)

Well, hats off to you, that's a sound piece of reasoning there, and some interesting insights, so thank you for sharing them with us here. A very nice piece of original research!

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