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jock123
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#21 · Posted: 18 Oct 2010 10:25 · Edited by: jock123
Following the many years of speculation, theorizing, anticipation and some false dawns, discussed in this thread, the great day has finally arrived!

Today sees the official launch from the British Film Institute of the two live-action Tintin films on DVD, including the legendary - and long thought lost - English-language dubbed version of Tintin and the Mystery of the Golden Fleece.

Note that on this issue we now officially have the full title of film, comparable to the French Tintin et le Mystère de la Toison d'Or.

On it's BBC broadcast (and thus it's NFT screening too) it was entitled The Golden Treasure, and the book adaptation was called simply Tintin and the Golden Fleece.

I therefore thought this might be the time to set a new thread in motion to deal specifically with these new disks: please feel free to add comments and thoughts about them as and when you get to see them.

Harrock is preparing a full review of them, so I won't say much now, but we have to be grateful for the sterling efforts of the BFI to make these releases top notch affairs - they have really pushed the boat out for them, as the movies are in sparkling quality and the packaging and booklets are lavishly illustrated.

Various people on the forums have had a hand in helping with the releases, including Harrock n Roll, Balthazar and myself (or should I say Sunny Jim?), but the biggest vote of thanks must go to The Poet Zloty and his colleagues at the BFI for seeing this project through! Thanks, Vic, Sonia and the team: it is much appreciated!
harrocknroll
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#22 · Posted: 18 Oct 2010 15:41 · Edited by: harrocknroll
got mine today 1st post looking at the golden fleece seems to be a good copy also there is the option of watching french with subtitles or dubbed english
mct16
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#23 · Posted: 18 Oct 2010 16:09
jock123:
I therefore thought this might be the time to set a new thread in motion to deal specifically with these new disks: please feel free to add comments and thoughts about them as and when you get to see them.

I presume by this that you mean the quality of the disks and the dubbing.

I have a few observations to make on the storyline and certain business and social issues that are raised in the film. Interested? or is there another thread where these can be raised?
jock123
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#24 · Posted: 18 Oct 2010 17:21
mct16:
I presume by this that you mean the quality of the disks and the dubbing.

If it’s relevant to this release, this thread is a good place to start - so how/ when/ why you got your copy; if you remember the Bank Holiday broadcast; the quality of the picture compared to the French VHS, earlier DVDs, etc.
However, if you have a burning need to discuss some wider theme to be found in the films (“Independent Merchant Shipping in the Mediterranean before the Introduction of the Hovercraft”, for example), it might be better served in its own thread. Likewise dissection of specific plot points might warrant a thread.

But we’ll take it as it comes, and sort it out as we go…
mct16
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#25 · Posted: 18 Oct 2010 19:34
jock123:
“Independent Merchant Shipping in the Mediterranean before the Introduction of the Hovercraft”

I wasn't going to be quite that specific. More on how the film reflects the globe-trotting aspects of the original comics: I particularly love the location filming in the ports and the Greek wedding; not to mention the villain hiding his criminal activities behind his façade of a respectable businessman (like Rastapopoulos or Omar Ben Salaad). Still, if that is too intellectual for you...
jock123
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#26 · Posted: 18 Oct 2010 20:34 · Edited by: jock123
mct16:
Still, if that is too intellectual for you...

Nobody has set any limits on how intellectual it is possible to be - but thank you for worrying about my levels of comprehension, I’m sure I’ll cope, even at my age…!

Oh, and yes - I agree entirely that the scenes on location in the port, and in the mountains (with the “Panygrist de Dora Stratou”) are marvellous for evoking the era.
doubleT
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#27 · Posted: 19 Oct 2010 19:40
I know, I know, I haven't posted in a while, I'm very sorry

Anyway, just to to make sure I understand, we are talking about an ENGLISH dubbed version of "The Golden Fleece", and by dubbed we mean SPOKEN ENGLISH!!also it's not as badly out of sync like those old kung fu movies or the original Godzilla films right?

Also, what's the region of the DVD and what's it's playability?

With all that in consideration, where can I get one of this DVD?
jock123
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#28 · Posted: 19 Oct 2010 21:23
doubleT:
I know, I know, I haven't posted in a while, I'm very sorry

That’s okay - welcome back!

doubleT:
we are talking about an ENGLISH dubbed version of "The Golden Fleece", and by dubbed we mean SPOKEN ENGLISH!!

Yes, indeed we are - it is the very same English-language track that the BBC broadcast in 1978, and was actually laid down in 1961; both films also retain the original French soundtrack, and have English sub-titles. Interestingly, the sub-titles translate the French audio more directly, because they don’t have to try and contend with what the actors’ mouths are doing.

doubleT:
it's not as badly out of sync like those old kung fu movies or the original Godzilla films right?

Well, it is described in the booklet as being “loose lip-synching”, but then again, what else can we expect? The actors aren’t saying the words which you are hearing, so of course the matching is often tenuous. However, the performance and characterization of the voice cast is first rate, and really sells the story.

doubleT:
Also, what's the region of the DVD and what's it's playability?

Amazon is saying it is Region 2, but it isn’t marked anywhere in the packaging that I can see (might be overlooking it); looking at the disk-info on my computer DVD drive, I think that they are multi-region (1,2,3,4,5,6), but you will need to be able to use a PAL encoded disk (is that what you mean by “playbility”?).

doubleT:
With all that in consideration, where can I get one of this DVD?

You don’t say where you are, so it’s hard to say - but any of the usual British on-line retailers (amazon.co.uk, play.com, etc.) would be worth trying. Amazon.com doesn’t appear to have it - they do list the Umbrella DVD from Australia for Golden Fleece, but that doesn’t include the English audio version.
Harrock n roll
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#29 · Posted: 19 Oct 2010 21:41 · Edited by: Harrock n roll
doubleT:
we are talking about an ENGLISH dubbed version of "The Golden Fleece", and by dubbed we mean SPOKEN ENGLISH!!

The answer to your first points are yes and yes. Yes, this is the dubbed version of Tintin and the Mystery of the Golden Fleece, and yes, by 'dubbed' it means in spoken English.

The DVD booklet says "the English-language dub track presented here was made in 1961, and contains instances of loose lip-synching throughout. This is to be expected from post-produced audio tracks of this nature." By that I expect they mean they have taken the audio from the only surviving copy (which the BBC own) and re-synced it to the remastered video track. Having watched it I can report that is pretty much as it is; the lip syncing is very well done and although sometimes 'loose' in places it doesn't spoil the enjoyment. Well, it didn't for me anyway.

I believe the DVD is Region 2 (that's what Amazon.co.uk says it is), which means you might have trouble playing it outside of Europe, and it can be bought from many UK online stores (like Amazon.co.uk or Play.com) and it should be in many UK high street stores too. I don't know if it's going to be made available in the US.

I have just written a review for the DVDs and it should be up on the site later in the week.

Edit
Ah, I see jock123 has beaten me to it and answered your questions!

In regard of the region of these discs; like jock, I couldn't see anything on the disc or packaging that actually stated it was Region 2, but it does say it is a PAL DVD designed to be played on PAL DVD players.
Harrock n roll
Moderator
#30 · Posted: 24 Oct 2010 12:47
A review about the releases has just been put up on the site
http://tintinologist.org/articles/fleece-oranges-bfi-release.html

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