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Q231: East Bloc support

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toydreamer
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#11 · Posted: 24 May 2007 12:38
Woah. Interesting debate. :)

Think I'll just sit in the corner, blow bubbles, and wait for the next question.
tintinspartan
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#12 · Posted: 24 May 2007 12:53
Sitting watching the ships roll in.....

Well, I just grab Blake and Mortimer books and read it
alvarolino
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#13 · Posted: 24 May 2007 14:16
Balthazar
I know that Michael Farr's book is often held up to be authorative, but personally I find he's often wide of the mark with his "facts", pronouncements and opinions. But that would be the subject of another thread...

I respect your opinions and agree with you on another thread to discuss the subject.

Well, for the moment I think this thread can go on (considering my thought line)...

Clue time!!!!
I'm looking for two vehicles made/designed in USSR... and they are in Tintin and the Picaros!!!
yamilah
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#14 · Posted: 24 May 2007 15:26 · Edited by: yamilah
Here are the two wanted vehicles:
- Soviet ZIL-inspired or ZIL-looking car (Picaros p.13); the real ZIL has no "moustaches".
- Soviet made or designed helicopter model MIL MI-1 (Picaros p.36)
alvarolino
Member
#15 · Posted: 24 May 2007 16:35
Well done, yamilah....d:0))

The ZIL-inspired car and the Mil-Mi helicopter are the evidence I was looking for...
Maybe this will help to improve an ideia: Bordurian's placement in the East Bloc during Cold War years... even if real South American dictatorships were backed by western world nations...

That's it!
Balthazar
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#16 · Posted: 24 May 2007 17:11
alvarolino
... even if real South American dictatorships were backed by western world nations...

Well, Tapioca's regime does have some British-made Landrovers as well, and support from the Loch Lomond Whisky company of course, so it looks like at least two firms from my own Western nation were trying to match Soviet-bloc imports into San Theodoros.

Mind you, British industry has something of a tradition of exporting to anyone prepared to pay, regardless of politics or ethics. In the early 1920s, Lenin had a specially built armoured Rolls Royce made for him. I'm not sure if Rolls Royce advertized this fact to their regular car-buying clientelle, nor if Lenin advertized the fact that he owned a Rolls Royce when speaking to the Russian masses about equality! Looking up ZIL just now, I read that Stalin personally thought up the idea of manufacturing Russian-built limousines - the first ZILs - so maybe he wanted to avoid having to import any more embarrassingly capitalist Rolls Royces (without having to scale down to an ordinary Russian car, of course!)

Anyway, you're right that the Russian Mil and ZIL do add evidence to the fact that Borduria is an unambiguously Soviet-bloc country.
yamilah
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#17 · Posted: 24 May 2007 17:15 · Edited by: yamilah
alvarolino
The ZIL-inspired car and the Mil-Mi helicopter are the evidence I was looking for...

Thanks Alvarolino.
The police motorbikes (Picaros p.13-14) might be kind of 1970's URAL, originally inspired from 40's German BMW bikes' models.

I'll soon be back to ask next question.
tuhatkauno
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#18 · Posted: 26 May 2007 09:35 · Edited by: tuhatkauno
about the guns in Picaros

The rifles on pg. 20, 60, look like Belgian FN FAL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FN_FAL_DN-SC-92-04655_cropped.jpg



This is the mother of all modern assault rifles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44

The Tintin rifles seem to have traits of many rifles. For example take a look at this:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm

Alcazar's pistol (56) is Walther PPK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_ppk

The guns and weapons in Tintin seem to be bit "refashioned" and that's why it is hard to recognice them properly. I might be wrong but this is my opinion.


And the Maxim in Ear, 40 - 41, is German Maxim MG08, not sokolov, i'm sorry, the stand of Maxim was in weird position. The pic is here:

http://www.worldwar1.com/arm005.htm

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