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LeLotusBleu
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#41 · Posted: 21 Oct 2021 15:52
jock123:
Abbé Wallez wanted Hergé to put Totor in Le Petit Vingtiéme, but Hergé demurred, and revised the character as Tintin.

I should have added that Goddin says, according to the testimony of Germaine Kieckens, Wallez suggested the character of a globe-trotting journalist.

jock123:
we have nothing to say they even knew of him, let alone heard of him

Goddin says he was so famous it would have been impossible for them not to have heard of him. Even if he wasn't an influence, it seems a bit much to suggest they hadn't.

jock123:
were Huld to be truly the inspiration - wouldn't it just have been more likely, more essential to their "influence", that they would have left the character as Totor the boy-scout?

Not if they wanted a "special correspondent", reporting on his travels.

jock123:
And it does seem to me far more likely, if anything, that word of Tintin made it's way to Denmark, and Huld heard that the character was based on a scout (Totor) who had gone on a wild adventure, and mistakenly believed it was him.

While it's equally possible, there's no more evidence for that either. The Palle Huld story is an interesting idea, but we'll probably never know for sure.
jock123
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#42 · Posted: 21 Oct 2021 16:42
LeLotusBleu:
Not if they wanted a "special correspondent", reporting on his travels.

That just reduces, not increases the argument for Huld having influence on the orgin of Tintin...
If there was no interest fron Hergé or Wallez in making the putative character a scout, what exactly is Huld supposed to have influenced...?

LeLotusBleu:
there's no more evidence for that either.

I agree entirely! It's not possible to make a concrete connection in either direction, but I think until anything tangible turns up (and I'm not ruling that out!), the weight of what we do know makes Huld less- rather than more-likely a factor in Tintin's conception.
Bukowski
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#43 · Posted: 21 Oct 2021 19:19 · Edited by: Moderator
Combined two consecutive posts...

Richard1631978:
Are any of the old Studio staff involved?

Wouldn't the "old studio staff" all be over a hundred years old now?

What's wrong with an anti-Communist Tintin book? The communists were evil totalitarians and Herge was right to condemn them!

Moderator Note: Hi! There's no need to make consecutive posts - if you think of another point, you can always update your previous message.

Secondly, it's always helpful if you use the quote function, but especially so when you're responding - as with the colourist question - to a post that was made more than five years ago, five pages back, which needs some context for readers (highlight a brief section of the text, and use the "Quote" tool - it'll format the excerpt and give the name of the poster in the reply box).

The "What's wrong with an anti-Communist...?" question hasn't got a context either, so it might be useful to expand on who you were replying to.

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jock123
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#44 · Posted: 21 Oct 2021 23:13
Bukowski:
all be over a hundred years old now?

Not at all - Mme Rodwell was a colourist for the Studios (it's how she and Hergé met) for example, and she's not nearly 100! ;-)
Bukowski
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#45 · Posted: 22 Oct 2021 00:17 · Edited by: Moderator
Any "context" of the Bolshevik regime would mention millions of innocent deaths and the horrors of the Gulag. Herge and publisher didn't criticize the Bolsheviks enough!

Moderator Note: You are being asked to give a context for your remark: if, as it appears, it is in sesponse to someting that someone said in post, then you need to say who and what you are responding to.
If it isn't a response to someone else, then you need to give your remark a context, otherwise it's just a question out of the blue. Who or what in this thread has suggested that an anti-Communist book is a bad thing...?

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jock123
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#46 · Posted: 22 Oct 2021 09:45 · Edited by: jock123
Bukowski:
Any "context" of the Bolshevik regime would mention millions of innocent deaths and the horrors of the Gulag.

It's remarkable that a children's comic offered any politicl criticism, of any kind, don't you think?
You're also perhaps not thinking in terms of the era in which this was being drawn - the word "Gulag" hadn't even been coined (from Glavnoye Upravleniye Lagerey) when the story started in 1929, being used from 1930 onwards.
The book which Hergé used as his reference (Joseph Douillet's Moscou sans Voiles: Neuf ans de travail au pays des Soviets [1928]) was as up-to-date a critique of the regime as could be had at the time (and bear in mind that he had been in Russia until 1926, so he was writing and publishing it with a gap of two years), but it didn't, and indeed couldn't, contain information on millions of deaths taking place in Gulags, because that was yet to come (up to 1.7m deaths between 1930 and 1953 - the death of Stalin).
LeLotusBleu
Member
#47 · Posted: 22 Oct 2021 13:21
jock123:
That just reduces, not increases the argument for Huld having influence on the orgin of Tintin...
If there was no interest fron Hergé or Wallez in making the putative character a scout, what exactly is Huld supposed to have influenced...?

I don't follow your logic there at all. Yes Huld was met by scouts and wore a scout uniform on his second, considerably shorter journey, but on his first and major trip he was characterised as a globetrotting teenage newspaper correspondent, which sounds a lot like Tintin.
Bukowski
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#48 · Posted: 30 Oct 2021 02:13
Bukowski
I apologize!

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